Can an independent game developer please make a game that allows you to play as a normal human girl in a normal human life so that men can see what it’s like to be a girl in the modern age?
90% of this game would be bitching on tumblr about how unfair the world is even though men and women have been equal since around 1965….
I’ve found the game’s antagonist.
See? This game idea is so good the story and dialog are writing themselves. Literally.
EDIT: You should check out Mainichi. It’s not quite the same idea as yours, but I think the execution gets quite close to what I understood of your proposal. It is about the daily life of a transgender woman.
Can an independent game developer please make a game that allows you to play as a normal human girl in a normal human life so that men can see what it’s like to be a girl in the modern age?
You should do it! I’m not being dismissive or facetious; I mean it. Whenever someone is like “Why doesn’t a game like ______ exist,” that is an invitation from the universe to make it yourself. No one is more qualified than you to make a game you want to see exist.
At the same time, often people lack either the knowledge on how to present a story/gameplay/character and whatnot, and/or lack the time to learn it well enough to make said game in the forseeable future, and aren’t willing to drop other projects they have currently to pick another one up.
In which case I believe the internet has a lot of people willing to push the idea forward.
(discovergame’s point still stands, tho)
If dodging questions was an olympic sport, you’d get the gold for sure! Oh lawdy. :U So I’m done trying to talk sense to you kid, you’re just ignoring logic for the sake of being right and its quite disgusting. I’m right, you refuse to prove how I’m wrong so theres no point to this anymore, I suggest you just let it go!
Have fun being a fag twinkie, or something
I’m having a lot of fun being the way I am, indeed.
But since you sound tired of this all, I will refrain from pointing out other logical and rhetorical fallacies on your responses (okay, just one more: the first and last sentences were, once again, gratuitous ad hominem), and let you go. You are now free to roam the land of the internet and… do whatever you feel like, I guess.
And also, thanks for closing it with a homophobic comment. I was thinking which quote of this conversation I was going to print and put on my fridge, but I guess that one takes the cake.
Hoooly shit kid I wasn’t talking about YOU when I said white dudes I was talking about the gaming media in general, learn to read why don’t you.
Burden of proof works like this. Person A makes a claim, Person B asks for proof of the claim, Person A then provides proof of the claim they made for person B to observe and take it/evaluate/rebuff.Thus far no burden of proof have been provided for why she is significant, as such I am not liable to have to have prove otherwise as the initial claim has not been backed up yet. Once that has been accomplished then I will argue for why that is not correct but until then the very fact that this proof is being dodged every time I ask is proof enough! Thanks are in order I guess :V
Not a kid either. Language matters, and even if you don’t notice it, you’re using it to demean me and the others involved (“kid”, “white dudes”, “people like you”). And I feel in the need to inform you once again that this is another instance of the ad hominem fallacy.
And here is why burden of proof cannot be completely applied here: significance is a non-quantitative trait (therefore, a qualitative one), therefore you cannot say Anna is “x%” or “y units” significant. The best you can do in these cases is find a strong enough correlation. That is what I presented to you a couple of responses back:
And Anna is indeed one of the most significant voices in games right now, because she not only understands what it is to be a queer woman in the white boys’ club that is game development, but she also develops games centered around that theme. She shows non-binary (gender-wise) people under a new, unprecedented light: as human beings. And she also pushes the definition of games to areas we never spoke of, further bringing more relevant discussions into the profession.
Which, needless to say, you promptly ignored. If you want to argue that she is not significant, you must first say why my reasoning doesn’t apply.
And then, feel free to explain to the whole of the queer games community why you think they don’t matter. Once you do, read your own answer out loud to yourself, so that you can finally understand what I meant with “cultural gatekeeping”.
P.S.: If you want me to spell it out to you, I can also do it: cultural gatekeeping is trying to decide what is and isn’t culturally relevant, or what should or should not be considered a valid piece of culture, expression and/or art. It has been historically used by the privileged classes to reduce the popular culture status to being something “unworthy” and “to keep the masses occupied”, unlike “higher culture”, like classical music and other forms of art not accessible to the lower classes.
P.S.2: And if you didn’t want to imply I am a “white dude”, you should not have preceded the paragraph you spoke of that with the one you went on and on talking about “people like me”.
Fallacies (“genuine game designers”) and sarcasm isn’t going to convince anyone, buddy. I suggest you either support your own claims with logical statements and facts, or crawl back to whatever hole you came from.You know, this has happened before. This is exactly the same as that other time when Raph Koster decided to out himself publicly as an asshole and started attacking Anna’s ‘rank’ as an actual game developer and designer. Guess what? Everyone saw right through his cultural gatekeeping veil then, and everyone can see right through yours right now too.
I see no problem with what this Raph fellow said or did,he raises a few good point that people like you will willfully ignore because that’s just how people like you are I guess :c its kinda sad. I took a gander and what U presume you mean by gate keeping, and I disagree entirely, nothing could be further from the truth! I would like if this person was a proper game designer but they are not sadly ): take it up with them as it’s all on them~
I again point out it would be nice to see some proof that “Anna is one of the most significant voices in games right now. “
“People like you”? I suggest you tread very carefully from now on. Measure your words better if you didn’t want to sound offensive, because you’re doing a poor job at it.
And no one needs none of this ad hominem bullshit of yours here, understand? There are no “people like me”, because no one here knows me. Not you, not anyone. That’s the point. People know the ideas I left recorded here, but don’t know who is the person behind them, just like it should be. Don’t go around assuming to know who I am.
And Anna is indeed one of the most significant voices in games right now, because she not only understands what it is to be a queer woman in the white boys’ club that is game development, but she also develops games centered around that theme. She shows non-binary (gender-wise) people under a new, unprecedented light: as human beings. And she also pushes the definition of games to areas we never spoke of, further bringing more relevant discussions into the profession.
And if you seriously don’t consider Dys4ia a game, then you have obviously never payed any attention at all to Wario Ware, which makes me ashamed of the fact that you consider yourself a gamer.
Well as soon as people like you stop acting like people like you I will have no furthur need of the phrase! I know enough about you from your post to make a judgement call the same way you are making a judgetment call based off mine. For the time being “people like you” works so I shall use it. I’d apolgize for potentially offending you but I don’t really give a shit so
She is a nobody, she is not significant at all! A few white dudes talking about her in a positive light for the sake of their own egos does not make her significant. No one knows about her and beyond a small margin of a tiny community that cares about her for all the wrong reasons, no one cares.
I never even said I consider myself a gamer, why are you making that assumption? You know nothing about me remember hue huhehu Pot, kettle, etc
You presume yourself to know enough of game design to know the actual relevance of Anna to the scene, and yet you don’t consider yourself a gamer. From that I can suppose you either mean it (and lied on your blog description about likind Dark Souls, Disgaea…, oops!), which disproves my theory that every game designer is also a gamer (because we still don’t have enough game designers today who don’t play games, apparently), or that you’re just trying to bullshit me and “turn the tables”. Either way, rhetoric tricks have no effect here, neither with you trying to sound so cool by not giving a fuck about offending me, nor with this whole lack of actual content on your post.
Oh, and do you remember that stuff about how you don’t know who I am? Yea, that also includes the fact that you jut went around assuming I am a “white dude talking about her in a positive light. I’m not. And did you also know that that also was another form fo the ad hominem fallacy? Boy, those are coming around a lot today!
And just to wrap up: I’m still waiting for you to state the reason for Anna to not be a significant person, so I’ll be sticking a [citation needed] on that whole second paragraph of yours. Have a nice day.
Fallacies (“genuine game designers”) and sarcasm isn’t going to convince anyone, buddy. I suggest you either support your own claims with logical statements and facts, or crawl back to whatever hole you came from.You know, this has happened before. This is exactly the same as that other time when Raph Koster decided to out himself publicly as an asshole and started attacking Anna’s ‘rank’ as an actual game developer and designer. Guess what? Everyone saw right through his cultural gatekeeping veil then, and everyone can see right through yours right now too.
I see no problem with what this Raph fellow said or did,he raises a few good point that people like you will willfully ignore because that’s just how people like you are I guess :c its kinda sad. I took a gander and what U presume you mean by gate keeping, and I disagree entirely, nothing could be further from the truth! I would like if this person was a proper game designer but they are not sadly ): take it up with them as it’s all on them~
I again point out it would be nice to see some proof that “Anna is one of the most significant voices in games right now. “
“People like you”? I suggest you tread very carefully from now on. Measure your words better if you didn’t want to sound offensive, because you’re doing a poor job at it.
And no one needs none of this ad hominem bullshit of yours here, understand? There are no “people like me”, because no one here knows me. Not you, not anyone. That’s the point. People know the ideas I left recorded here, but don’t know who is the person behind them, just like it should be. Don’t go around assuming to know who I am.
And Anna is indeed one of the most significant voices in games right now, because she not only understands what it is to be a queer woman in the white boys’ club that is game development, but she also develops games centered around that theme. She shows non-binary (gender-wise) people under a new, unprecedented light: as human beings. And she also pushes the definition of games to areas we never spoke of, further bringing more relevant discussions into the profession.
And if you seriously don’t consider Dys4ia a game, then you have obviously never payed any attention at all to Wario Ware, which makes me ashamed of the fact that you consider yourself a gamer.
And now I’m a little sad I never got to finish a post about the fluidity of the definition of “game” and how that tied in with Raph Koster’s blog post on Gamasutra, claiming that Anna Anthropy’s Dys4ia wasn’t really a game. I could’ve linked the whole post as an answer to that (rather obnoxious) person.
Oh, well, that’ll teach me not to procrastinate when it comes to writing!
the most offensive part of this mess to do with that kotaku article about the female masturbation game, is the article calls anna anthropy a ‘game designer’
what an insult to genuine game designers everywhere :VOh yeah, you’re totally right. Anna’s not a game designer at all. I mean, she didn’t make this game, or this one, and she definitely didn’t make all of these. Nope, she didn’t write a book about game design or anything like that. “Genuine game designers”: I hope you feel sufficiently insulted that she has been confusedly assigned to your little club.
Thank you! I’m so glad to find someone else who agrees with me that those things she has done mean nothing because of the toxicity she brings to the medium as a whole :3 so glad you agree!
I’m confused now. You were either kidding at first and it totally didn’t come across, or you majorly missed the sarcasm there. Anna is one of the most significant voices in games right now.
[citation needed]
Fallacies (“genuine game designers”) and sarcasm isn’t going to convince anyone, buddy. I suggest you either support your own claims with logical statements and facts, or crawl back to whatever hole you came from.
You know, this has happened before. This is exactly the same as that other time when Raph Koster decided to out himself publicly as an asshole and started attacking Anna’s ‘rank’ as an actual game developer and designer. Guess what? Everyone saw right through his cultural gatekeeping veil then, and everyone can see right through yours right now too.
My own list of defining games is coming along but I’m having trouble separating games that were truly defining and games that are just my favorites.
In all honesty (and don’t take this personally), trying to define which games are the most defining right now is like trying to name an art movement as soon as it is born. Sure, you can name it, but that is not going to be the name people will use to refer to it later, because by then it will have changed, and will have influenced the world in ways you never even imagined were possible. It is futile, because it needs a level of knowledge about the way people are influenced that only becomes accessible to us in hindsight.
Not that it isn’t a good mental exercise. It’s great, and with enough thought, one can reach some good insights (I guess). But it shouldn’t be taken seriously.
“Should video games still exist in recognizable form 50 or 100 years from now, Final Fantasy VII will almost certainly be recognized as one of the medium’s early classics and great genre pioneers. If you’ve never played it, it’s worth taking the time now. It’s all but destined to become Citizen Kane for the gaming set.”
Chad Sapieha, The Globe and Mail
This tumblr makes me very, very angry.
Wait, are you saying there are people, actual people, who really care whether a game is “the citizen kane of videogames”? People should really stop worshipping certain media.